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	::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	:::::: I've made a copy of the file and I'll upload it now. If it breaks whatlinkshere pages I'll restore it ;) --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 13:36, 19 December 2008 (CST)		:::::: I've made a copy of the file and I'll upload it now. If it breaks whatlinkshere pages I'll restore it ;) edit: might have to wait a bit, having trouble with the host right now, pages are not loading correctly. Will try again later today. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 13:36, 19 December 2008 (CST)
	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==
	I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)		I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)

imported>An Adventurer at 19:36, 19 December 2008

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	::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

			:::::: I've made a copy of the file and I'll upload it now. If it breaks whatlinkshere pages I'll restore it ;) --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 13:36, 19 December 2008 (CST)
	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==
	I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)		I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)

imported>Atarax: /* Listing of Cantrips */

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Listing of Cantrips

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	::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an ''$options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id';'' line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an ''$options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id';'' line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields]] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==

imported>Atarax: /* Listing of Cantrips */

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	::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an ''$options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id';'' line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an ''$options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id';'' line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)

			::::: Here are the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table available fields]] you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==

imported>An Adventurer: /* Listing of Cantrips */

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Listing of Cantrips

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	::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList MediaWiki Extension] might do the job? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList MediaWiki Extension] might do the job? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an ''$options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id';'' line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==
	I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)		I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)

imported>An Adventurer at 22:11, 18 December 2008

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	::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList MediaWiki Extension] might do the job? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList MediaWiki Extension] might do the job? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)

			::::I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)
	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==
	I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)		I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)

imported>Atarax at 22:03, 18 December 2008

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	::My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, ''Strength'' will have links to ''Strength (Attribute)'', ''Strength (Spell)'', and ''Strength (Cantrip)''.<br><br>I am going to continue working on the redirects in the [[Sandbox]]. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the ''whatlinkshere'' page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.<br><br>We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, ''Strength'' will have links to ''Strength (Attribute)'', ''Strength (Spell)'', and ''Strength (Cantrip)''.<br><br>I am going to continue working on the redirects in the [[Sandbox]]. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the ''whatlinkshere'' page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.<br><br>We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList MediaWiki Extension] might do the job? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==

imported>Atarax: /* Listing of Cantrips */

2008-12-18T21:53:36Z

Listing of Cantrips

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	::My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, ''Strength'' will have links to ''Strength (Attribute)'', ''Strength (Spell)'', and ''Strength (Cantrip)''.<br><br>I am going to continue working on the redirects in the [[Sandbox]]. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the ''whatlinkshere'' page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.<br><br>We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)		::My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, ''Strength'' will have links to ''Strength (Attribute)'', ''Strength (Spell)'', and ''Strength (Cantrip)''.<br><br>I am going to continue working on the redirects in the [[Sandbox]]. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the ''whatlinkshere'' page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.<br><br>We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

			::: Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit ''includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php'' to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==

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	So for example - Minor Focus, Moderate Focus, Major Focus, Epic Focus, Brilliance, Concentration, and any other spell that effects focus and stacks with standard spells will redirect to <nowiki>[[Focus (Cantrip)]]</nowiki>. We will then need to create a page template for cantrips, but it is on this page that we would list the full stacking effects. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 15:22, 15 November 2008 (CST)		So for example - Minor Focus, Moderate Focus, Major Focus, Epic Focus, Brilliance, Concentration, and any other spell that effects focus and stacks with standard spells will redirect to <nowiki>[[Focus (Cantrip)]]</nowiki>. We will then need to create a page template for cantrips, but it is on this page that we would list the full stacking effects. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 15:22, 15 November 2008 (CST)

	:: I've found some cantrips that have spell entries already, like Prodigal Strength. I went ahead and redirected [[Prodigal Strength]] to [[Strength (Cantrip)]], and also copied the spell description, etc... over to that page. Can you take a look and make sure this is how we want to do it before I start migrating all these spells over? Perhaps we should come up with a standardized ''Cantrip Template'' before moving all these over.		: I've found some cantrips that have spell entries already, like Prodigal Strength. I went ahead and redirected [[Prodigal Strength]] to [[Strength (Cantrip)]], and also copied the spell description, etc... over to that page. Can you take a look and make sure this is how we want to do it before I start migrating all these spells over? Perhaps we should come up with a standardized ''Cantrip Template'' before moving all these over.

			: Also, I think the ''Spell Stacking'' section that is currently on the [[Strength]] page, might get lost in the shuffle if we are using both pages to track Spell Stacking. Perhaps we should put ''Spell Stacking'' on the [[Strength (Spell)]] page and ''Cantrip Stacking'' on the [[Strength (Cantrip)]] page. This way we can just link to both from the [[Strength]] page, and its easier to update in the future. What do you think? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 11:45, 18 December 2008 (CST)

			::My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, ''Strength'' will have links to ''Strength (Attribute)'', ''Strength (Spell)'', and ''Strength (Cantrip)''.<br><br>I am going to continue working on the redirects in the [[Sandbox]]. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the ''whatlinkshere'' page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.<br><br>We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --[[User:An Adventurer\|An Adventurer]] 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	:: Also, I think the ''Spell Stacking'' section that is currently on the [[Strength]] page, might get lost in the shuffle if we are using both pages to track Spell Stacking. Perhaps we should put ''Spell Stacking'' on the [[Strength (Spell)]] page and ''Cantrip Stacking'' on the [[Strength (Cantrip)]] page. This way we can just link to both from the [[Strength]] page, and its easier to update in the future. What do you think? --[[User:Atarax\|Atarax]] 11:45, 18 December 2008 (CST)

	== Spells as Entries ==		== Spells as Entries ==