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		<title>imported&gt;An Adventurer at 01:19, 16 May 2010</title>
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		<title>imported&gt;An Adventurer at 01:19, 16 May 2010</title>
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm also confused by the naming. Where does it say that ''Tukal'' translates to ''Lugian Bastion'' or ''Bastion''? Wouldn't that mean that the [[Bastion of Tukal]] would be the Tukal of Tukal, or the Bastion of Bastion? From the [[Lugian]] AC:DM lore, we learned that Tukal had a very different meaning, &amp;quot;''They live, for the most part, in the Linvak Mountains in the south of Osteth, where their fortress of Linvak Tukal was built. (This translates as “Great Tukal” – Tukal being a city on their homeworld equal in size and importance to Ispar’s Tirethas, Roulea, or Celdon.)''&amp;quot; So from that perspective, naming it Mare Tukal makes as much sense as naming a sunken Aluvian city ''Sea Celdon''.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I have not yet been able to play this patch, but I'm also confused what a lugian city was doing under the sea anyway. They haven't been on Dereth ''that'' much longer than humans. I'll have to investigate this quest more, hopefully tomorrow.--[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm also confused by the naming. Where does it say that ''Tukal'' translates to ''Lugian Bastion'' or ''Bastion''? Wouldn't that mean that the [[Bastion of Tukal]] would be the Tukal of Tukal, or the Bastion of Bastion? From the [[Lugian]] AC:DM lore, we learned that Tukal had a very different meaning, &amp;quot;''They live, for the most part, in the Linvak Mountains in the south of Osteth, where their fortress of Linvak Tukal was built. (This translates as “Great Tukal” – Tukal being a city on their homeworld equal in size and importance to Ispar’s Tirethas, Roulea, or Celdon.)''&amp;quot; So from that perspective, naming it Mare Tukal makes as much sense as naming a sunken Aluvian city ''Sea Celdon''.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I have not yet been able to play this patch, but I'm also confused what a lugian city was doing under the sea anyway. They haven't been on Dereth ''that'' much longer than humans. I'll have to investigate this quest more, hopefully tomorrow.--[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Since there didn't seem to be any reason behind keeping the name Mare Tukal (see above) I renamed the page Ancient Lugian Fortress, as the 1 NPC refers to it as an ancient fortress, its of lugian design, and we have no official name. I also changed the article from a town template to a POI template. It really met none of the requirements to be a town as it is completely empty, so it is now a major POI. I would guess we'll probably see this place developed more, and its certainly possible it ''might'' become a town, but until then it should stay a point of interest. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:19, May 16, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>imported&gt;An Adventurer: moved Talk:Mare Tukal to Talk:Ancient Lugian Fortress</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.drunkenfell.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mare_Tukal&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Mare Tukal&quot;&gt;Talk:Mare Tukal&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.drunkenfell.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ancient_Lugian_Fortress&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Ancient Lugian Fortress&quot;&gt;Talk:Ancient Lugian Fortress&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>imported&gt;An Adventurer at 01:45, 12 May 2010</title>
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		<updated>2010-05-12T01:45:09Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm also confused by the naming. Where does it say that ''Tukal'' translates to ''Lugian Bastion'' or ''Bastion''? Wouldn't that mean that the [[Bastion of Tukal]] would be the Tukal of Tukal, or the Bastion of Bastion? From the [[Lugian]] AC:DM lore, we learned that Tukal had a very different meaning, &quot;''They live, for the most part, in the Linvak Mountains in the south of Osteth, where their fortress of Linvak Tukal was built. (This translates as “Great Tukal” – Tukal being a city on their homeworld equal in size and importance to Ispar’s Tirethas, Roulea, or Celdon.)''&quot; So from that perspective, naming &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;in &lt;/del&gt;Mare Tukal makes as much sense as naming a sunken Aluvian city Sea Celdon.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I have not yet been able to play this patch, but I'm also confused what a lugian city was doing under the sea anyway. They haven't been on Dereth ''that'' much longer than humans. I'll have to investigate this quest more, hopefully tomorrow.--[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm also confused by the naming. Where does it say that ''Tukal'' translates to ''Lugian Bastion'' or ''Bastion''? Wouldn't that mean that the [[Bastion of Tukal]] would be the Tukal of Tukal, or the Bastion of Bastion? From the [[Lugian]] AC:DM lore, we learned that Tukal had a very different meaning, &quot;''They live, for the most part, in the Linvak Mountains in the south of Osteth, where their fortress of Linvak Tukal was built. (This translates as “Great Tukal” – Tukal being a city on their homeworld equal in size and importance to Ispar’s Tirethas, Roulea, or Celdon.)''&quot; So from that perspective, naming &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;it &lt;/ins&gt;Mare Tukal makes as much sense as naming a sunken Aluvian city &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;''&lt;/ins&gt;Sea Celdon&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;''&lt;/ins&gt;.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I have not yet been able to play this patch, but I'm also confused what a lugian city was doing under the sea anyway. They haven't been on Dereth ''that'' much longer than humans. I'll have to investigate this quest more, hopefully tomorrow.--[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>imported&gt;An Adventurer at 01:44, 12 May 2010</title>
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		<updated>2010-05-12T01:44:21Z</updated>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wouldn't a temporary name like &amp;quot;Tukal Lassel&amp;quot; be more appropriate?  The word &amp;quot;mare&amp;quot; is Latin and not used as such on Dereth.  Since we don't know a word for &amp;quot;sea&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;island&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;land mass&amp;quot; in the Lugian language, choosing such a word from another language on Auberean might be better. [[User:Afura Mann|Afura Mann]] 17:01, May 11, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wouldn't a temporary name like &amp;quot;Tukal Lassel&amp;quot; be more appropriate?  The word &amp;quot;mare&amp;quot; is Latin and not used as such on Dereth.  Since we don't know a word for &amp;quot;sea&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;island&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;land mass&amp;quot; in the Lugian language, choosing such a word from another language on Auberean might be better. [[User:Afura Mann|Afura Mann]] 17:01, May 11, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:I'm also confused by the naming. Where does it say that ''Tukal'' translates to ''Lugian Bastion'' or ''Bastion''? Wouldn't that mean that the [[Bastion of Tukal]] would be the Tukal of Tukal, or the Bastion of Bastion? From the [[Lugian]] AC:DM lore, we learned that Tukal had a very different meaning, &quot;''They live, for the most part, in the Linvak Mountains in the south of Osteth, where their fortress of Linvak Tukal was built. (This translates as “Great Tukal” – Tukal being a city on their homeworld equal in size and importance to Ispar’s Tirethas, Roulea, or Celdon.)''&quot; So from that perspective, naming in Mare Tukal makes as much sense as naming a sunken Aluvian city Sea Celdon.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I have not yet been able to play this patch, but I'm also confused what a lugian city was doing under the sea anyway. They haven't been on Dereth ''that'' much longer than humans. I'll have to investigate this quest more, hopefully tomorrow.--[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 01:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>imported&gt;Afura Mann at 17:01, 11 May 2010</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wouldn't a temporary name like &quot;Tukal Lassel&quot; be more appropriate?  The word &quot;mare&quot; is Latin and not used as such on Dereth.  Since we don't know a word for &quot;sea&quot; or &quot;island&quot; or &quot;land mass&quot; in the Lugian language, choosing such a word from another language on Auberean might be better. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;- &lt;/del&gt;Afura Mann, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;LC&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;5/11/10 &lt;/del&gt;(&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;sorry, I don't remember how to date my comments&lt;/del&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wouldn't a temporary name like &quot;Tukal Lassel&quot; be more appropriate?  The word &quot;mare&quot; is Latin and not used as such on Dereth.  Since we don't know a word for &quot;sea&quot; or &quot;island&quot; or &quot;land mass&quot; in the Lugian language, choosing such a word from another language on Auberean might be better. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[User:&lt;/ins&gt;Afura Mann&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|Afura Mann]] 17:01&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;May 11&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2010 &lt;/ins&gt;(&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;UTC&lt;/ins&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>imported&gt;Afura Mann: Just a comment.</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Just a comment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wouldn't a temporary name like &amp;quot;Tukal Lassel&amp;quot; be more appropriate?  The word &amp;quot;mare&amp;quot; is Latin and not used as such on Dereth.  Since we don't know a word for &amp;quot;sea&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;island&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;land mass&amp;quot; in the Lugian language, choosing such a word from another language on Auberean might be better. - Afura Mann, LC, 5/11/10 (sorry, I don't remember how to date my comments)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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